Binary Triggers Legal Or Nah?

[Fizzik]

So, I've been digging into the whole binary trigger thing and I'm honestly a bit confused. I moved to Oregon not too long ago and I really want to make sure I'm following all the laws correctly. From what I gather, some places have strict regulations, but I've heard mixed things about them being legal here.

I guess it’s just one of those things where you never want to risk getting into trouble over a toy you thought was cool. I was at the range last weekend, and a buddy mentioned how fun they are for shooting sport, but didn’t say if they’re on the up-and-up legally.

Have any of you guys checked into this? I’d love to know if anyone's gone through the process or knows someone who has. Just trying to make sure I dodge any legal patches with my new hobby!

 

[lihpster]

Sorry but I am afraid they are illegal. Check out Senate Bill 243.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

Will be illegal to even posses in a month or two. Be sure to sign the new recall petition for Kotex.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

The thing I don;t like about BiNary triggers is that there is to way to not fire the second round upon release of the trigger. There is no way to turn that second shot off. While it would be cool for a range toy, I don’t see any practical advantage to having one.

 

[Mac Gowan]

I think I heard that you hold the trigger back and set the safe to not fire the second shot. Totally stupid if you ask me. I have no use for these things

 

[Deleted member 22]

I have no use for these things

Neither do I nor really have I ever entertained the idea of them.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Sorry, just don't see the point of binary triggers. You want a machine gun, go pay the NFA fee for the thrill of wasting ammunition. I don't think they'll let you on public or private ranges with any of those toys.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

Still legal for another couple of weeks lol

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

For those of us that served and actually shot full auto guns, many will tell you it’s a waste. But for people who haven’t, it’s either a just for fun thing or they think they are cool. I love 30 and 40 round mags, but I am of the thought that conserving ammo is best and making each pull of the trigger count.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

Hey, do we still have Tao use specific pronouns with Non-Binnary triggers?

 

[Rustybore]

I fired both the M14 and the M16A1 full auto and first thought it wa fun because I did not have to pay for the ammo. I have contemplated getting a binary trigger for a Ruger 10-22, but the price of the trigger, and the cost of the ammunition made me think twice. At 77 yrs. old I just cannot justify it.

 

[A11mo$t]

Yup. A 7.62x51 was quite an experience for me. Once was enough.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

Walt let me shoot his Tommy gun at the Baron’s Den once for free. It was interesting. Difficult to control. Just have to shoot it in short bursts the hit center mass on a silhouette.

I did take both my kids there to shoot it on their birthdays one year. They thought it was so cool.

 

[A11mo$t]

I think I heard that you hold the trigger back and set the safe to not fire the second shot. Totally stupid if you ask me. I have no use for these things

So what happens when someone later releases the safety?

 

[MisterEd]

For those of us that served and actually shot full auto guns, many will tell you it’s a waste.

Ditto this. Got my fill while in the military, and wasn't really impressed then.

People can do whatever they want but reality is shooting full - auto, with 'binary triggers' 'FRT's' or whatever is pointless and nothing but a waste of ammo.

It always cracks me up when some refer to the selector switch on a select fire gun as the 'fun switch', 'Giggle switch' etc. It's like they are trying to convince people it's something exciting and fun to do but reality is shooting full auto is NOT shooting per se in the formal sense of the word. It's nothing but a mag dump of a few seconds worth of wasted ammo and whatever 'fun' or 'excitement' it was usually wears off pretty quickly.

Also if you look into how many actually own FA firearms, or the add on on triggers etc. to simulate FA fire their use of such is rarely to mostly never, after the initial 'thrill' is gone.

 

[A11mo$t]

initial 'thrill' is gone.

I did it once. That was enough. What a waste. Those same people put a turbo on their side by side and brag about going 0-60 in less that 4s. There will always be those. But when they really have to WORK with the equipment they are worthless and go back to their urban homes.

Play toys. The wife has a name for them I can't post.

 

[MisterEd]

In my 'life' of gun ownership I have only know maybe a couple people personally who own FA firearms and have rarely ever shot them.

To me they only seem like something one would own as a 'status symbol' so to speak but if they are hidden in a safe there ain't much 'status' about them. In some cases some may have them as investments OR they got lucky and owned them before the FOPA of 1986 and may someday reap the benefits.

Hey, like I said one can do what ever one wants but it's nothing I am interested in.

I DID once own a 1970's era Colt AR 15 A1 Sporter. it was NOT FA but it was one of the original models that could accommodate an auto sear or be modified for select fire by those who knew what they were doing. I say ONCE OWNED because I sold it in the mid 80's!

 

[A11mo$t]

But if you have to clear a frame building that 7.62 works really good even from the hip.

 

[SuperTrooper]

For those of us that served and actually shot full auto guns, many will tell you it’s a waste. But for people who haven’t, it’s either a just for fun thing or they think they are cool. I love 30 and 40 round mags, but I am of the thought that conserving ammo is best and making each pull of the trigger count.

One shot - one kill. I'm not a fan of full auto at all, and not a fan of high capacity magazines in general. Hi capacity magazines give you the feeling that you have ammo to waste, and don't have to make each shot count. The only thing I have with higher than 10-round capacity is my S&W Shield Plus with it's 16 & 12 round magazines, and my 12 round P365. All my P320s have 10's, but then I have to drive through California to get to I-5 from this side of Oregon.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

For AR’s I prefer the 20 round mags. Enough capacity, but not so long as to interfere with prone or bench rest shooting.

One shot one kill is what they are going back to. Right before my son got out, the rifles they were using had three round burst but they hardly ever used that setting. The emphasis is on conserving ammo and making each shot count.

 

[MisterEd]

I can appreciate Hi Cap mags in handguns IF the design of the gun allows for a comfortable grip, as most 9mms do. Hey, I have owned a few and currently have a CZ 75 BD WHICH when I bought it had 10 round mags as it was made 'inside' the '94 AWB but I bought it after that and eventually bought two, Mec Gar 16 rounders for it.

I have NEVER held a '2011' Hi Cap 1911 but having been a long term owner OF 1911s I'll take them with stock, single stack mags. The slim design of 1911's has always been a 'high point' of them and a double stack version seems to detract from this IMHO.

Personally I believe the '2011' design is/was nothing more than another 'tacticool' idea that maybe appeals to some and hey, if so, more power to those who want them but it's nothing I have any interest in.

 

[A11mo$t]

Duplicate.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

So, if I have an AR with a standard trigger, does that make my trigger Non-Binary?

 

[SuperTrooper]

So, if I have an AR with a standard trigger, does that make my trigger Non-Binary?

I told a guy last week that he was brave to be driving a 'trans' truck, and all. Indignantly he said his truck wasn't 'trans' and demanded to know why I'd say something like that. I pointed out that his truck wasn't born with those 'truck nuts' hanging off the hitch, and that vehicles were usually referred to as 'she' so obviously nuts on a girl = TRANS.

 

[SuperTrooper]

I noticed nobody shipping FRT to Oregon either anymore.

 

[Rimfire Fanatic]

I noticed nobody shipping FRT to Oregon either anymore.

They were banned by the Governor.

 

[MisterEd]

They were banned by the Governor.

Yep, good ol' Governor You Know Who...